PM set to clear forces’ demand over pay

Monday, December 22, 2008

This article is posted in 6CPC Matters category and has 54 Comments so far.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is set to clear the demands of the armed forces on the sixth pay commission. Officers of the Lieutenant Colonel rank will now get Rs 10,000 more than the present salary per month. Sources say, Lt.Colonel Officers pay is to be fixed in PB-4.

As per the new provisions, the three star officers will be at par with Director Generals of Police.

It also makes provisions for retiring jawans to continue to get pension equivalent to 70 per cent of their the last pay they draw.

However, the demand for pay parity between military and civilian officers has been rejected.

In October, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee had said that he had discussed the matter with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Defence Minister A K Antony.

A ministerial committee, headed by Mukherjee, was set up to look into the armed forces’ grievance about pay “anomalies”.

The committee, which also included Antony and Chidambaram, was set up by the Prime Minister on September 25 in the wake of deep resentment in the armed forces, who complained that there were “anomalies” in the sixth pay commission recommendations and that it had lowered the status of their officers.

After the government notification was issued on August 29, the issues of “anomalies” in the pay for officers was first raised by Air chief Fali Homi Major in his letter in his capacity as acting Chairman of Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC).

Chiefs of Navy and Army too have been voicing their resentment.

News Source : NDTV.com

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54 Responses to “PM set to clear forces’ demand over pay”

ajay said on Monday, December 22, 2008, 21:18

at last govt has accepted just demands of armed forces .

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aniket said on Monday, December 22, 2008, 22:12

IT IS EXAMPLE OF BLACK MAILING WITH GOVT. MAIN AIM OF ARMY IS NOT PB 4 FOR LT.COL BUT SUPERIORITY OVER CIVILIAN COUNTER PART HAVING MUCH MORE SERVICE & KNOWLEDGE. FOR ARMED FORCES CHIEF’S HAS WORKED AS UNION LEADER. BUT CIVILIANS OFFICERS WORKING IN DEFENCE NOW CAN ONLY DEPEND UPON GOD FOR THERE FUTURE . IN DEFENCE , CIVILIANS & SERVICE PERSONNELS ARE LIKE HINDUSTAN – PAKISTHAN. GOVT. MUST FIND WAY TO RESOLVE LONG OUTSTANDING ISSUES TO IMPROVE WORKING ENVIRONMENT IN MIXED ORGANISATION TO PREVENT COMPLETE COLLAPSE. MAY GOD HELP GOVT. IN FINDING SOLUTION OF PROBLEM……….. GOOD NIGHT.

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dev said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:23

@Aniket…..Stupid take this.If there is a war with Pakistan at this stage,people like you will hide under your bed for one month.Shameful…your take has no substance.Happy that Govt did the justice to our brave officers and JUST IN TIME.

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Subba Rao R S said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:04

It is high time the civillian officers of equivalent pay scale be given the fair deal. Else this leads to demoralisation. This also holds good for 12000-375-16500 pre revised scales not included in the PB 4

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PARVATI said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:14

AT LAST GOM HAS TAKEN DECISION TO SOLVE THREE CORE ISSUES OF ARMED FORCES. THANKS.

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VNatarajan, President, Pensioners' Forum,Chennai said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:16

Dear All,Though the Hon.PM may have tried to resolve the incongruencies wrt the Services personnel pay/ pension issues to a large extent, the sectors which are totally orphaned are those belonging to Scientific/Engineering Deptts like GSI/ DAE/ ASI/ BSI/CGWB/CSIR labs/DRDL labs/DOS etc and personnel of Rlys-particularly their PENSIONERS who have been totally discriminated for pension parity among their equals.
This is mainly because of the new autocratic creation of two norms in the form of multiple revised pay scales(with individual higher starting pay for promotees within the respective scale) within a pay band for serving employees on one hand and a composite monolithic pay band for the pensioners on the other hand, within the same 6CPC dispensation!
The date 1.1.2006 separates the resulting two classes of pensioners as pre-2006 and post-2006 and between the two there is no parity among the equal rank/ grade/ scale of pensioners.This is totally violative of Supreme Court/ High Court judgements (eg famous NAKARA CASE; recent SPS BAINS CASE (Sept 2008)) which have categorically emphasised/ directed for upholding the principle of equal pensions for equal rank/ grade pf pensioners IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR DATES OF RETIREMENT and have pronounced that such a decision of imposing disparity is against the principle of EQUALITY guaranteed under Article 14 of Constitution. Apart from perpetuating such unconstitutional orders, the Govt. is also subjecting itself to self-inflicted mockery of acting/ going CONTRARY to its own GAZETTE NOTIFICATIONS!. What more- MODIFICATIONS IN TEXT ARE MADE with opposing meanings and complete neutralisation of APPLICATION of earlier OMs calling them CLARIFICATIONS, thus subjecting all the old/
sickly some disabled/ resourceless/legal-supportless PENSIONERS & FAMILY PENSIONERS to great agony, anguish and despair. The actions are inhuman to the extent, that there is a need for the NATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION to intervene and act in this matter of indiscrimination of PENSION entitlements of DIGNITY/ EQUALITY/ JUSTICE in the society and as a vast section of the senior citizen population of the country.
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ravindra said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:17

thank god…finally govt has done justice to armed forces…people cannot understand while working with civilain counterparts its very difficult if they know tht the person whom they are dealing then they never ever in there dream also respect the seniority even though he may be getting more pay than army counterparts…watever you say…govt have saved themselves from the biggest ever blunder they were creating if they would hav not agreed on this demand…good job done…

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SANJAY said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:25

SARDAR MANMOHAN SINGH HAS FINALLY DISPLAYED HIS TRUE SARDARI.THE THREE SERVICE CHIEFS HAVE TRULY LIVED UPTO THE CHETWODIAN CREDO.LONG LIVE INDIA & LONG LIVE INDIANS.

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SURYA said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:46

May God of “ANKIT” forgive him for his utterances by making two INDIAN organisations as HINDUSTANI and PAKISTANI. This shows how jealous/poisonous he is and if such great people get the chance to work in Min of Def, he will try to finish Defence Forces interests.

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suchi said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:10

Alas! if there could be a voice with the forces(i am ref to the comment regarding chief acting as a union leader).I wish the whole of the forces read the ill concieved comments!

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krishnamurthy said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:13

DAER SIR,WELCOME ATLAST ARMEDFOCES PAY HIKE ACCEPTED! WELL WHAT ABOUT OLD PENSIONERS LIKE ME DRAWING PENSION FROM 3RD PAY COMMISSION WE WERE GETTING RS 2913 PENSION NOW REVISED TO RS 4060 PENSION PER MONTH. I AM 83 YEARS OLD AND MUST GET 20 % EXTRA PENSION VIDE 6CPC SANTIONS. MAY I KNOW WHAT SHOULD GET WITH PAY HIKE FOR FORCES. PLEASE CLARIFY AND HELP ME . IN THIS REGARD SENT MY MEMORANDOM TO PCDA,PENSION ALLAHABAD, NAVAL CHIEF, PPM (OR) BANGALORE, MANAGER CANRABANK, VIVEKNAGAR, BANGALORE FOR RECONSIDERING. PLEASE HELPME SINCE I AM OLD PENSIONER AND 2nd WORLDWAR VETARAN
KRISHNAMURTHY
BANGALORE

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VNatarajan, President, Pensioners' Forum,Chennai said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:19

I sent an elaborate comment. I do nt know where it vanished?What about Defence Pensioners? There parity isssue even after court judgements? Wiill the past pensioners- say Retired Colenels/ Lt Colonels – will the draw equal pensions as their peers after this dispensation? What about Defence Civilians- Pensioners among them?

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Jeetandra N Brahmi said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:52

It is good that a decison has been favourable to the armed forces. But it needs to have been assessed keeping with the perks(free) even after their retirments. A mere few years of Short Service Commissions secures a place for them the best perks and jobs.

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VNatarajan, President, Pensioners' Forum,Chennai said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:00

Corrigendum- my last sentence in the posting at 08 16 a.m. above- pl read the last part as: ” as it affects a vast section of the senior citizen population……”

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Abhimanyu Negi said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 15:29

The three service chiefs deserve full credit for bringing out anomalies in sixth pay commission report and subsequent dilution/subversion supposedly by higher bureaucracy.Now that high level committee has submitted its report I hope that honorable prime minister will accept the same with out further delay.The armed forces deserved better pay scales across the board . However the situation where the service chiefs had to be assertive and vocal regarding injustices being meted out to service personnel should have not arisen had the government initially agreed to co-opt service representative in the pay commission or the committee of secretaries to subsequently iron out the anomalies in sixth pay commission report.It is a lesson for everybody.Now that mncs have started to bring down the salaries of the top executives it is for the government to think on similar lines to reduce the huge gap between pb-3 and pb4 .

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Vadivelu said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 16:27

Aniket, you are a moron. What do you mean by ‘mixed organisation’? Do defence civilians fight the enemy at the border? They are greedy cowards whose sole interest is in lining their pockets at the expense of the men in uniform who are the only line of defence this country has and who are risking their lives every day. Defence civilians are a liability to the armed forces and this category should be disbanded forthwith. Not only will this save the country a lot of money, it will improve the efficiency and morale of the defence services.

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R Anand said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 18:40

Why is that we keep comparing two different identities ie army and civil when the work conditions are totally different. Army is the saviour of the nation. Army is there to defend the Nation from external threats, natural calamities, civil wars, accidents of grave nature or low and order situation that go beyond the control of civil administration. When every other option is exhausted Military is called for. This means that military has to be better than the civil counter parts and if not then they have no reasons to exist and if they are better then they must be paid better. Don’t you pay more for better things? So why are we harping on some thing that does not merit comparison… Even now the Military is being paid less it has to be much more than what is there right now. If any one feels differently then lets switch positions. How many of the civil officials are ready to join army if found fit or ready to send there wards in the army? All those civil officials willing to join military or want your capable wards to join military; please send your details on the same blog in a chronological order. I know most of the military personnel’s would prefer to do so (except for those who have a deep passion for the military job) and therefore this voting with signature is only for civil service holders from all departments what so ever. I would request the moderator to start collecting particulars of all such personnel’s or I may have to start a blog of my own..

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amar said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 18:44

Aniket, people like you are worse than ajmal kasab, you are more dangerous…….long live the Indian Armed Forces !!

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pv kulkarni said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 18:53

Its very sad that actual anamolies are being treated by our own indians as black mail by indian defence forces. This despite the fact that all three services have proved themselves in war and till date are apolitical unlike pakie who killed own kin in east pakistan , are even killing own countrymen or bangladeshi army who leave alone war till date have killed only own countrymen.. imean i fail to understand what are these men upto? or are they paid ISI agents.

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aniket said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:11

SUBBA RAO is telling correctlly.civillian officers having service more than 20 years are still working in pb 3 scale, where as there junior worked with them as subordinates in defence has become lt. col & getting pb 4 without doing any job. it seems all these defence personnels are son in law to govt. of india. if more salary is required it could have been given as additionl military pay rather than giving pb 4. GOVT. should carry out survey in terms of what total emoulments given to service personnel & what is there out put with ref. to civilian working in same organisation with more out put & less pay . EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK IS BASIC RIGHT OF INDIVIDUAL. THEREFOR GOVT SHOULD GIVE PB 4 TO EMPLOIES HAVING OLD SCALE 12000-375-16500 Else this will lead to demoralisation.

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Col VT Venkatesh(Retd?) said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:40

@krishnamurthy
This is with reference to your e mail.
I also live in Bangalore.Please call me on my mobile 9845517629 for any help required in getting your pension from your bank.

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B C Vasundhra said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 20:11

Have patience, dont jump to the conclusions, babus are not going to give up so easily. Let the notfication be published, and guess who will have the last laugh. Be prepared for a knock out punch. obviously the premature selective leakage of the report does not speak well of the impending intentions, from the selective leakage it looks like a half baked cake. Dont be shocked if the picnic turns sour, and till approval of the report and the subsequent Notification keep your fingers crossed. Bye till notification.

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Peter said on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 23:00

@aniket Dec 22, 2008, 22:12

who may I ask is the hindustan? this man should not serve in MOD, I can bet he will do his ut-most to see that matters pertaining to defence get stuck!

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REDDY K said on Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 12:33

It is appericiatable decision of the Governement to include the Lt. Col into the PB4 under 6 CPC. However, it is to be noted that the Lt. Col’s original scale is 12000-375-16500 (with added increments 12750-375-16500). and MSP (Milatary Special Pay). In view of the justice to all the officers working in the same scale in the other ministries and departments, it is to be considered to accord the PB4 to all the 12000-375-16500 scale holders under 5 CPC. Insteda of giving piecemeal considerations, it may be fit to give for all at one go, to avoid displeasures among the same cadre. With wishes to all. Reddy.

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Anon said on Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 13:40

Tinkering with the 6 th CPC has opened up a Pandora’s box of incongruities. the bitterness amongst various organisations is there to see. I only question the government now—- After revising the salaries of all central government servants and taking care of the price rise in the market, why has the govt still given Dearness Allowance. There should be ‘NO Dearness Allowance”. The yearly increments in salary are adequate to cater for price rise. What has happened to the new formula being made by the National Statistical Commission on dearness allowance. It is a known fact that the market price rise of commodities and especially those of basic necessities is mainly due to the govt announcing the DA revision. Will the govt see sense in this proposal?

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oknanda said on Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 13:41

All you guys who are celebrating the reported event,kindly wait for the eggs to hatch as the great indian fin service is yet to get the orders ,muddle with them and further ensure two more clarifications are reqd before half of you get it in pay slips. We dont require external events to rattle us, they bare enough.

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anil kumar said on Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 14:24

I am not yet optimistic about the announcement by PM of having met the forces demands. There is little in the history of the govt to show that its bureaucrats can be trusted. Same applies largely to the politicians. Bureaucrats will try to scuttle the recommendations. The statement that parity of Defence with Civil officers is ruled out is ominous. Some civilians in Defence have raised concerns about their salaries – these also need to be addressed. However if they feel they are Pakistanis and working at cross purposes with the uniformed people they need to be shown the door. We do not need so many of them in the first place. Why not employ retired Defence officers? Why only the IAS and Allied Services should be treated as the VIP guests of the nation for life just because they passed some exam at some point of time? The Defence civilian officers also need to get scales comparable to what the other central govt services have extracted.

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fighter said on Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 14:27

the report says that only pay will be fixed in pb4 not grade pay will be enhanced for lt col .
so in parity lt col will still be equal to s21 scale i.e. 12000 – 16500 and not with dir rank of s24

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dev said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:03

@ Fighter…………..No they can not do that…corresponding grade pay of 8700 has to be given at the time of fixation of pay.

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dev said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:07

@ OKNANDA…………………No they can’t do it any more……..Games can not be played 24 hours.when political leadership decides firmly…babu fall into place and stop playing games.There are strong mechanism with the Govt to put them in place in case they come out of their shoves.As it is they stand exposed badly.

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dev said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:11

@ANIKET: Ltcols were in the pay scales of 13500-400-17100 for your information with Rs 1600/- as rank pay……stop spreading lies here.When you know nothing about a thing..why poke your nose around?

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SKS said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:13

I like to correct Mr Reddy K who has written wrongly on 24 Dec 2008 at1233 , that the original Pay Scale of Lt.Col was12000-375-16500. The pay scale of Lt. Col was 15100-400-18700.
While the pay scale lower than this scale from civil side has been upgraded to PB-4 from PB-3 by the Committee of Secretaries, the pay scale of Lt.Col has been retained in PB-3.
This anomaly has been sought to be removed by the Defence services. We are awaiting to see, how this anomaly is removed since it affects the pension of 70% of the retired service officers,who were manadatorily retired at 52 years of age due to shortage of vacancies at higher ranks.What % of class 1officers retire from civil side at the pay scale of 15100-18700 ?

The pension of a pre 2006 Lt Col has increased by ONLY 18 % from what was drawn on 01 Jul 2008 !

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dev said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:23

@ Reddy k……..Ltcols were in pay band 13500-400-17100………and their corresponding grades and even a few lower than this grade were already put in PB-4 and that was the whole problem.Please do not misquote the pay scales here.I don’t mind people with 2500 basics to get into HIG if wishes were horses.You ought to update yourself really.

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vishwapurna said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:35

It is good that at last Lt.colonels and equivalent ranks in army will be shifted to PB-4.At the same time the govt.should shift all those in the civil departments who are holding 12,000-375-16,750 grade also to be shifted to PB-4.You just imagine during 5th pay commission pay scale the difference between the grade 12,000-375-16,750 and the next grade 14,450-400-18,000 was only 2,450.Now the difference between the same grades is Rs.22,000/- just because the 14,450 grade was shifted to PB-4.At least now the Lt.colonel’s pay shifting to PB-4 should make a way to the civilian counter parts also.Let somebody give the email address so that all the civilian 12,000-375-16,500 holders will send the e mail representation to the prime minister.

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murty said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 14:20

So what if it is a blak mail,Isit’nt that all civilians do the same.Indians are pampered .The government accepts any nonsence from the civilian lot.At thesame time it wants strict descipline from Armed forces.The armed forces donot keep their eyes and ears shut.Now with the band pay having ben reduced compared to the civilians every tom dick and harry will become the boss of Army man.We should see the fun now how battles will be faught.The,BSF ,CRPF ,ITBP, will all become the bosses of Armed forces,and tell them how to fight the armoured battles.A civilian will tell the armed forces what equipment Armed forces need.In the present wars the borders will not be changed even when they are disputed.people will kill each other,Till the are tired.And go back to their barracks.So in the opinion of politicians and beaurocrats it is not neccosory that Army man to command acombined force of para military and armed forces.So why army man be given the command. Acivilian can do lot more than an army officer.Army will automatically takes over command when the para military man or civilians runs away from his command post.After the war the Government will appoint another Sbramanyam committee and ask him to find out what went wrong.So sir we are again back square one.Government can not be run with prejudicial attitude.If a altercation takes place between the various forces God save the country and the government and people.

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Dan said on Thursday, December 25, 2008, 18:35

Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. NOT YET guys

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RAO P said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 10:44

Reddy K Rightly said.

Whatever be the decision of govt. It should be applicable to all officers of equivalent scale (i. e 12000-375-16500). Govt. should give justice to all the officers working in the same scale in the other ministries and departments. Govt. shouldn’t create further disparity amoung officers working in the same scale.

With Regards,
RAO P

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sincere said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:38

lets not fight. all babus running this country need to be respected. they are atleast better than the politicians. armed forces or the PMFs are doing good and the most respected job. you should fix all the equivalents in this CPC only. why have this fuss everytime pay commission is announced.defence civilians may not go to war but they are equally important. ‘THIS PAY COMMISSION IS MEANT FOR ALL OF US. AT LEAST NEXT TIME THIS FIGHT SHOULD NOT COME UP’

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Dr Ravindra Kumar said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 12:13

I appreciate the central govt that it has put Lt col in Pay band4 and UGC has put the readers in pay band4. Here my request is to the central govt , civilian staff having pay scale Rs 12000-16500 may also be put in pay band4

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D. Mathews said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 19:27

The Committee of Ministers have done a good job for the Armed Forces. They have recommended to give 70% of pay last drawn as pension to PBOR. What will be the position of Hony Commissioned Officers of the three Services.Will they get 70% of last drawn pay as pension, being PBOR or 50% only as their pay scale is in PB-3.

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sincere said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 20:17

lets respect all forces whether armed or PMF or defence civilians. even babus deserve respect for running this nation despite the type of politicians our country has got. we should hope that this is the last time parity equation is disturbed and some permanent equivalents are found. babus can keep getting double increments at least we all can stay in parity and keep the nation peaceful

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S.C.Maheshwari said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 21:05

Dear Maheshwari Ji,
Bureaucrats have tried to block this news of ”FAST UNTO DEATH” from being published in News Papers.Please see that this news is spread out to as many people as possible.Today is the 9th day of their fast.
Regards bhinder

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Subject: “REPORT MY SIGNAL” – PLEASE DO VISIT JANTAR 1100-1300 HRS 27 DEC 08 – EMAIL 372/2008 – 26 DEC 08 – (A to B)
To: “Kamboj CS Brig”
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Raju.B.P said on Friday, December 26, 2008, 22:35

Sir,
The one rank one pension is not answered.The 5th PC has already agreed in principle and suggested the old pensioners pension shall be almost equal but not the same as the latest pensioner.As per the 6 PC the pre 2006 pensioners are kept at far below pension scale than the latest one.let us all prey to GOD that good sense will prevail and our Government re-think on One Rank One pension.

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Dan said on Sunday, December 28, 2008, 9:49

Response for Mumbai –IPS Boss from Internal securitryremoved to be rewarded as DG BSF———Surprisingly they do not have even a single deserving Lt Gen to do the Job, They would rather send a Babu from animal husbandry to do the job

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Anon said on Monday, December 29, 2008, 19:21

Dear Prime Minister and Finance Minister(they are one and the same person). By bringing in extra pay such as Military service pay, PB4 for Lt Cols and a slew of other amendments in the 6 th CPC, it seems that Justice Srikrishna had not done his homework and the report he presented to the govt was just half baked. Why spend so much on a Pay Commission when the members do not know their job. The amendments made in the report have made it almost null and void. Let us not ridicule the commission members any more and stop fiddling around with the recommendations too much. A lot of harm ahs already been done when uniformed forces who are not getting Military Service Pay are now demanding an equivalent such pay. The new DA formula being worked out by the National Statistical Commission has yet to see the light of the day. Why pay DA when the price rise has been factored into the new pay slabs. Politics is only about votes garnering. Nobody cares for the nation.

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shiva said on Thursday, July 2, 2009, 11:22

I will just like to ask all army offrs- where does in BSF fits in,Is it a civilian Force or an ARMED FORCE. Why the eqivalents of Lt Col in BSF not given the PB-4. A BSF offr as per present system will get the rank of Commandant(PB-4) only after 20 yrs of service WHEREAS the Army offr Lt Col with just 13 yrs of petty service gets PB-4. It is the BSF which will bear the main brunt of attack/war and the Army will be activated only 2-3 days later. BSF is not born to leave the defences, its motto is ‘DUTY UNTO DEATH’. If anyone has an iota of doubt about the hardships of a BSF jawan/offr you may take it as a challenge to be there and spend few days rpt few days,what to talk of complete service-20 yrs 30 yrs at thee Borders. It is sheer apathy for BSF that it has been performing its duties with zeal and dedication under the garb of ARMY and has thus lost its own identity. Even the bearaucrats, civilains and even 40% Army offrs are unaware of BSF tasks and the hardships. We in BSF perform at times more arduous and lethal duties than ARMY still we are sidelined, will anyone stand to recognise our services AND give us the dues.

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pd roy said on Saturday, July 4, 2009, 21:45

dear shiva,
what u say about the hardships of bsf are true and known to us in the army and ack,in fact when we were aspiring for a career in the uniform our parents used to line up the forces in degree of hardship as CRPF,BSF,ARMY NAVY AIRFORCE ,meaning idealwould be airforce as per worklifeand work environment.
crpf doesn’t have even that bit of stabilitiy or structure that at least bsf has.
so feeling hard done by the army is incorrect,its not the army but the ips who are using the top posting for themselves for their career advancement without caring for the BSF org per se.
its for ur good that ur career officers take up cudgels and fasten up

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A K Pandey said on Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:25

Sir,
May I know about 70 precent pension for PBOR .

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A K Pandey said on Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:30

sir,
May I know about 70 precent pension for PBOR of last pay drawn. Still I did not get 70 precent of last pay drawn. if possible pl mention what is hurdle in 70 precent pension of last drawn which is already approved by the government.

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Ranvir said on Saturday, September 19, 2009, 15:53

Sir,

Can you tell me the progress on 70% as pension of last drawn for PBOR. This point is still pending. Which was already approved by Govt of India. But donot know what is hurdle to implement of this point.

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philip varghese said on Saturday, November 21, 2009, 14:18

Sir,all pers asked 70% last drawn pay as pension. But we are lost 50% last drawn pay as pension from our juniors including lower rank holders who are retired after 2.9.08.We are all already serve new pay scale as per 6th cpc report. But pension 50% given only after 2.9.08 retiree.why

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Dr Ravindra Kumar said on Friday, November 27, 2009, 17:06

Any ways there is plenty of deference created in sixth pay commission between the pay scale Rs.12000-16500 and Rs.14300-18300. Govt should remove this much anomalies

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Dr Ravindra Kumar said on Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 17:00

With reference to dated november 27,2009, 17:06. We wish to inform that no reply has been communicated so far. It means govt has accepted this much anomally. It is again requested that govt should do something for reducing the gape for the same

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K Gopalakrishnan said on Friday, January 8, 2010, 16:18

Dear bros,
Am gopalakrishnan know as kg krishnan served more than 24 yrs in corps of signals . I read every blogs and comments of almost all. It is believed that we the veterans are still hope that the present government do something in regard to our pension. One can hope anything but you must know the present government headed by the congress never given anything until unless pressure from public as well as from court of law. as promised by the govt to equate the pension of post and pre 97 is the outcome of Punjab and Haryana high court order which has been confimed by the supreme court by not accepting the SLP petition of the govt. Still we will keep our hope.

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