Comments on: Pay Panel – Central Police against elevation of rank of Lt.col http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html A Community Website for Govt. Officers Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:40:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: B S Chowdhary http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-2#comment-2529 B S Chowdhary Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:44:36 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-2529 The CPMF are indeed getting a raw deal.See the comparison: Job conditions_worst than that of Army,Living condition -worst ,Salary-much less,Perks-just donot match Army for the same job,Promotions-far less than the Army,Married life as compared to an Army Officer-practically Nil.Besides this they are better educated than their counter parts.Things like Rly warrants and form D not there.CPMF personnel go and do duty at even a higher altitude.Then why this discrimination.The reason I can conceive of is that they have no cadre officer at the top.Govt should seriously think and do justice.A Commandat is equivalent to a Col. and a Lt.Col is equivalent to a 2ic then where is the doubt. The CPMF are indeed getting a raw deal.See the comparison: Job conditions_worst than that of Army,Living condition -worst ,Salary-much less,Perks-just donot match Army for the same job,Promotions-far less than the Army,Married life as compared to an Army Officer-practically Nil.Besides this they are better educated than their counter parts.Things like Rly warrants and form D not there.CPMF personnel go and do duty at even a higher altitude.Then why this discrimination.The reason I can conceive of is that they have no cadre officer at the top.Govt should seriously think and do justice.A Commandat is equivalent to a Col. and a Lt.Col is equivalent to a 2ic then where is the doubt.

]]> By: army http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-2#comment-1928 army Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:30:24 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-1928 some one rightly said ..the nation knows who stands where..the IAS or the defence forces...belive u me..call parvez on deputaion for 6 months..he will teach top indian army generals how to teach a lesson to the govt run by "beer cats" ( hope u all get wat i mean)...i.e give them a beer and take all cats out of them for once and for all.. some one rightly said ..the nation knows who stands where..the IAS or the defence forces…belive u me..call parvez on deputaion for 6 months..he will teach top indian army generals how to teach a lesson to the govt run by “beer cats” ( hope u all get wat i mean)…i.e give them a beer and take all cats out of them for once and for all..

]]> By: Dr Deepak Sreevastava http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-2#comment-1146 Dr Deepak Sreevastava Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:24:45 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-1146 This mail is for all those immature bloggers who are pro police ( there is nothing with it) at the cost of armed forces, would do well to understand what follows in succeeding paras. The 1981 IPS batch have become 3-star generals, the 1987 are 2-star and the 1994 1-star.. In the army the corresponding years are 1972, 1975, 1979. – ie a differential of 10-15 years. The differential is more with the IAS. Army does not want superiority over police/bsf/itbp. we want this differential to be bridged and monetary compensation which comes with faster promotions. AND mind you all you guys who are constantly spreading a canard against army so that army does not get its due, are well advised to do your own bidding and ask for better conditions for yourselves rather than trying to pull down your fellow comrades. If in a family a father does not equally divide his property amomgst brothers, all brothers do not go to Dad and ask him to give less to one brother and still lesser to another. This mail is for all those immature bloggers who are pro police ( there is nothing with it) at the cost of armed forces, would do well to understand what follows in succeeding paras. The 1981 IPS batch have become 3-star generals, the 1987 are 2-star and the 1994 1-star.. In the army the corresponding years are 1972, 1975, 1979. – ie a differential of 10-15 years. The differential is more with the IAS. Army does not want superiority over police/bsf/itbp. we want this differential to be bridged and monetary compensation which comes with faster promotions.
AND mind you all you guys who are constantly spreading a canard against army so that army does not get its due, are well advised to do your own bidding and ask for better conditions for yourselves rather than trying to pull down your fellow comrades.
If in a family a father does not equally divide his property amomgst brothers, all brothers do not go to Dad and ask him to give less to one brother and still lesser to another.

]]> By: mantu http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-1065 mantu Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:50:58 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-1065 PLEASE POST IT AS TYPED PLEASE POST IT AS TYPED

]]> By: mantu http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-1063 mantu Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:47:21 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-1063 AFTER READING SO MANY BLOGS AND COMMENTS ABOUT ARMED FORCES I AM CONVINCED THAT WE DO NOT NEED AN ARMY.LET THE PARAMILITARY FORCES AND THE BABUS TAKE COMMAND.WE MUST DISBAND ARMY.LET THE MSG TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN AND CHINA AND TO ALL OUR GOOD NEIGHBOURS.BECAUSE WHEN THEY HEAR THE NEWS THEY NOT ONLY LAND UP TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE WITH OUR USELESS AND NEINCOUMPOUGH CHIEFS BUT ALSO WITH OUR BELOVED PRIME MINISTER AND DHOTI CLAD US EDUCATED STOOP OF (BIRLAS AND TATAS AND MAY BE ISIs) OF A FINANCE FINISTER.we better not talk about foreign minister,for he is busy cobbling the net with iran for a pipeline through our MOST LOVED COUNTRY PAKISTAN.WHERE IS THE DEADLINE OF OCT END FOR GIVING RECOMMENDATATION BY THE GROUP OF MINISTERS?NOBODY CAN QUESTION;LET THE ARMY BE DISBANDED SO THAT WE CAN (THE COMMON MEN) SEE THE FUN.LET PAKI OR CHINESE ROLL OVER NOT ONLY TO NORTH INDIA BUT RIGHT UPTO KANNYAKUMARI.THEN PROBABLY I WOULD DIE IN PEACE.WHAT A COUNTRY AND WHAT A HOPELESS SITUATION FOR SOMEONE WHO IS DEAF AND DUMB BUT WHOSE DUTIES ARE CALLED FOR EVEN TO EXTRACT A CHILD FROM A WELL!WHEN WE HAVE STATE POLICE,STATE RAPID ACTION FORCES,STATE ARMED BATALLIONS,CRPF,BSF,ITBP,ASSAM RIFLES,CISF SIB ,SIT SPL FORCES AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO DEFEND YOU MY BELOVED COUNTRYMEN WHY DO U NEED ARMY?BUT SORRY TO SAY YOU WILL BE SHORT CHANGED!90% OF THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE THERE TO PROTECT AND HELP BUREUCRATES AND POLITICIANS ONLY!THEY WILL CREATE PROBLEM AND ASK FOR ARMYs HELP!THE MAIN ROLE OF ARMY IS TO DEFEND THE COUNTRY FROM EXTERNAL AGGRESSION BUT THEY ARE BEING EXCLUSIVELY USED TO MAINTAIN LAW AND ORDER, WHETHER IT IS POLITICALLY CREATED PROBLEM OR CREATED BECAUSE OF MISHANDLING BY BABUS.OUR CHIEFS ARE WEAK AND THEY ARE SHOWN THE CARROT OF GOVERNERSHIP AND AMBASSADOR.SO THEY HAVE TO OBEY THE BABUs.but let us not fool ourselves!IT MAY NOT TAKE MUCH TIME TO CONVERT FROM STREAK TO FIRE .LET US NOT FOOL OURSELVES THAT THE BABUsAND POLITICIANS HAVE WON THE BATTLE WHICH WAS NEVER FOUGHT BY ONE SIDE!IF THE LT COLs DONOT FUNCTION EVERYTHING WILL COME TO A STANDSTILL!LET US NOT SEE THAT DAY WHICH IS NEARING FAST!LET US ASK THE GOVT TO DISBAND THE ARMY IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!! AFTER READING SO MANY BLOGS AND COMMENTS ABOUT ARMED FORCES I AM CONVINCED THAT WE DO NOT NEED AN ARMY.LET THE PARAMILITARY FORCES AND THE BABUS TAKE COMMAND.WE MUST DISBAND ARMY.LET THE MSG TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN AND CHINA AND TO ALL OUR GOOD NEIGHBOURS.BECAUSE WHEN THEY HEAR THE NEWS THEY NOT ONLY LAND UP TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE WITH OUR USELESS AND NEINCOUMPOUGH CHIEFS BUT ALSO WITH OUR BELOVED PRIME MINISTER AND DHOTI CLAD US EDUCATED STOOP OF (BIRLAS AND TATAS AND MAY BE ISIs) OF A FINANCE FINISTER.we better not talk about foreign minister,for he is busy cobbling the net with iran for a pipeline through our MOST LOVED COUNTRY PAKISTAN.WHERE IS THE DEADLINE OF OCT END FOR GIVING RECOMMENDATATION BY THE GROUP OF MINISTERS?NOBODY CAN QUESTION;LET THE ARMY BE DISBANDED SO THAT WE CAN (THE COMMON MEN) SEE THE FUN.LET PAKI OR CHINESE ROLL OVER NOT ONLY TO NORTH INDIA BUT RIGHT UPTO KANNYAKUMARI.THEN PROBABLY I WOULD DIE IN PEACE.WHAT A COUNTRY AND WHAT A HOPELESS SITUATION FOR SOMEONE WHO IS DEAF AND DUMB BUT WHOSE DUTIES ARE CALLED FOR EVEN TO EXTRACT A CHILD FROM A WELL!WHEN WE HAVE STATE POLICE,STATE RAPID ACTION FORCES,STATE ARMED BATALLIONS,CRPF,BSF,ITBP,ASSAM RIFLES,CISF SIB ,SIT SPL FORCES AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO DEFEND YOU MY BELOVED COUNTRYMEN WHY DO U NEED ARMY?BUT SORRY TO SAY YOU WILL BE SHORT CHANGED!90% OF THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE THERE TO PROTECT AND HELP BUREUCRATES AND POLITICIANS ONLY!THEY WILL CREATE PROBLEM AND ASK FOR ARMYs HELP!THE MAIN ROLE OF ARMY IS TO DEFEND THE COUNTRY FROM EXTERNAL AGGRESSION BUT THEY ARE BEING EXCLUSIVELY USED TO MAINTAIN LAW AND ORDER, WHETHER IT IS POLITICALLY CREATED PROBLEM OR CREATED BECAUSE OF MISHANDLING BY BABUS.OUR CHIEFS ARE WEAK AND THEY ARE SHOWN THE CARROT OF GOVERNERSHIP AND AMBASSADOR.SO THEY HAVE TO OBEY THE BABUs.but let us not fool ourselves!IT MAY NOT TAKE MUCH TIME TO CONVERT FROM STREAK TO FIRE .LET US NOT FOOL OURSELVES THAT THE BABUsAND POLITICIANS HAVE WON THE BATTLE WHICH WAS NEVER FOUGHT BY ONE SIDE!IF THE LT COLs DONOT FUNCTION EVERYTHING WILL COME TO A STANDSTILL!LET US NOT SEE THAT DAY WHICH IS NEARING FAST!LET US ASK THE GOVT TO DISBAND THE ARMY IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: ranawat http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-984 ranawat Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:08:22 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-984 The present situation has led to immense demoralization in the Armed Forces......a very dangerous trend indeed. ....these middle level officers - Lt Cols/Wg Cdrs/Cdrs are responsible for military assets worth several crores. .....something more than the entire annual budget of the paramilitary forces.....imagine a pilot flying a fighter plane worth 300 crores......we can not afford demoralisation to creap in....lest it leads to the creation of several more purohits( Lt col Purohit arrested for bomb blasts)....actually the ISI must be waiting for an opportunity like this......to lure demoralised officers with money.....The govt needs to act fast so that such things never never happen in this great country of ours The present situation has led to immense demoralization in the Armed Forces……a very dangerous trend indeed. ….these middle level officers – Lt Cols/Wg Cdrs/Cdrs are responsible for military assets worth several crores. …..something more than the entire annual budget of the paramilitary forces…..imagine a pilot flying a fighter plane worth 300 crores……we can not afford demoralisation to creap in….lest it leads to the creation of several more purohits( Lt col Purohit arrested for bomb blasts)….actually the ISI must be waiting for an opportunity like this……to lure demoralised officers with money…..The govt needs to act fast so that such things never never happen in this great country of ours

]]> By: Deepak http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-921 Deepak Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:12:04 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-921 The Brig should be asked why the BSF was not withdrawn during OP Brasstacks and when the Army was in eyeball contact after the Parliament attack? What was its role during the 1971 Ops. What is the concept of Reorg BOPS.? Who determines the less threatened areas? Why were there no incursions in Kargil where BSF was deployed? If the Army felt that the area they had abandoned in Kargil was less threatened, why did the incursions occur in the areas the Army had vacated? Why did the army vacate the area if wasmore theatened and invite the incursions?? If the area they vacated was less threatened why was the BSF not deployed there? they can not give this lop sided logic and get away with it by hoodwinking the politicians. How come the less threatened areas become more threatened the moment BSF digs the trenches and makes the bunkers so that teh Army can occupy them? Agreed BSF will not be used in an offensive role. Does the army only has an offensive role? I wonder which place they will launch the offensive in today's scenario. Most of the time it performs a defensive role which is also done by BSF. Should it be paid more only because it can perform an offensive role ? In that case they should have separate pay for peace and war time. The last time they were forced to launch offensives in Kargil because they had let the enemy come right inside their house? How is izzat linked to money? Is that the reaon that we had the Army officers succumbing to the Tehalka sting operation? If it is a question of Izzat why is the army denying it to BSF? Is BSF not entitled to Izzat..? It is surprising that a 1.1 Million strong Army is comparing its role and tasks and pay packet with BSF which is less tha 3 lacs in numbers. Why is the Army so vehemently against the BSF getting any perks while they want allownaces for evrything.!! No one grudges them their Military pay... Why should they want the BSF not to get the Para Military allowance. Do we grudge them the free rations in kind, their medical facilities, the Form Ds, the separated family accomodation, the Army schools and colleges, the reservaion in jobs , free plots of land, the petrol pumps and canteens etc etc??? This is a typical Dog in the Manger policy which shows the army is very poor light... Agreed the BSF plays a complementary role to the Army, but the hardships faced by BSF are no less than the Army. How can they justify that the Army jawan in the same bunker facing the same difficulties fighting teh same enemy and braving the same odds is entitled to better rations, better equipment and better pay just because he wears a green uniform and the BSF chap a khakhi uniform?? What happened to the principle of equal pay for simlar jobs . The threatening tone in the last sentence of the note does not augur well for the Indian democracy and only reaffirms the views of Mr Kuldeep Nayar which the Brig has cleverly avoided to comment on. The Brig should be asked why the BSF was not withdrawn during OP Brasstacks and when the Army was in eyeball contact after the Parliament attack?
What was its role during the 1971 Ops. What is the concept of Reorg BOPS.?
Who determines the less threatened areas?
Why were there no incursions in Kargil where BSF was deployed?
If the Army felt that the area they had abandoned in Kargil was less threatened, why did the incursions occur in the areas the Army had vacated? Why did the army vacate the area if wasmore theatened and invite the incursions??
If the area they vacated was less threatened why was the BSF not deployed there?
they can not give this lop sided logic and get away with it by hoodwinking the politicians.
How come the less threatened areas become more threatened the moment BSF digs the trenches and makes the bunkers so that teh Army can occupy them?
Agreed BSF will not be used in an offensive role. Does the army only has an offensive role?
I wonder which place they will launch the offensive in today’s scenario. Most of the time it performs a defensive role which is also done by BSF.
Should it be paid more only because it can perform an offensive role ?
In that case they should have separate pay for peace and war time.
The last time they were forced to launch offensives in Kargil because they had let the enemy come right inside their house?

How is izzat linked to money? Is that the reaon that we had the Army officers succumbing to the Tehalka sting operation?
If it is a question of Izzat why is the army denying it to BSF? Is BSF not entitled to Izzat..?

It is surprising that a 1.1 Million strong Army is comparing its role and tasks and pay packet with BSF which is less tha 3 lacs in numbers.
Why is the Army so vehemently against the BSF getting any perks while they want allownaces for evrything.!!

No one grudges them their Military pay… Why should they want the BSF not to get the Para Military allowance.
Do we grudge them the free rations in kind, their medical facilities, the Form Ds, the separated family accomodation, the Army schools and colleges, the reservaion in jobs , free plots of land, the petrol pumps and canteens etc etc???

This is a typical Dog in the Manger policy which shows the army is very poor light…

Agreed the BSF plays a complementary role to the Army, but the hardships faced by BSF are no less than the Army. How can they justify that the Army jawan in the same bunker facing the same difficulties fighting teh same enemy and braving the same odds is entitled to better rations, better equipment and better pay just because he wears a green uniform and the BSF chap a khakhi uniform??
What happened to the principle of equal pay for simlar jobs .

The threatening tone in the last sentence of the note does not augur well for the Indian democracy and only reaffirms the views of Mr Kuldeep Nayar which the Brig has cleverly avoided to comment on.

]]> By: M K Mahesh http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-855 M K Mahesh Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:29:35 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-855 There are three engineering colleges for Armed Forces. In any Engnieering College, the principal/Director should have BTech Mtech PhD Qualification & 25-30 years Teaching Experince and atleast 10 years as Professor. In the armed forces Engg college a Lt Gen with only B Tech without any Teaching Expr in a degree level enginnering college will head the college Imagine what is the Std of education in these colleges Further a col/ Brig ( with grade pay of Rs 8700/8900)with a max M Tech qualification without any Teaching Expr in a degree level enginnering college will command on a professor (Grade pay Rs 11000 which is higher than the Grade pay of Maj gen)who has been selected by UPSC as per std and norms Aicte. It is highly insulting, dishonring, demotivating. In certain cases those Col/Brig were students in these colleges under the Professors. Some of the Service officers posted in these colleges are not capable of teaching and they are just taking 50-100 pds in a 5month sem( one fourth of the laod taken by Lect/Ap) How can a a col/ Brig ( with grade pay of Rs 8700/8900)with a max M Tech qualification without any Teaching Expr in a degree level enginnering college will be senior in engg college than a Prof with BTech Mtech PhD Qualification & 20-25 years Teaching Experince.Is there any answer/ Justice to highly qualified acadmecian in these colleges There are three engineering colleges for Armed Forces. In any Engnieering College,
the principal/Director should have BTech Mtech PhD Qualification & 25-30 years Teaching Experince and atleast 10 years as Professor. In the armed forces Engg college a Lt Gen with only B Tech without any Teaching Expr in a degree level enginnering college will head the college Imagine what is the Std of education in these
colleges

Further a col/ Brig ( with grade pay of Rs 8700/8900)with a max M Tech qualification without any Teaching Expr in a degree level enginnering college will command on a professor (Grade pay Rs 11000 which is higher than the Grade pay of Maj gen)who has been selected by UPSC as per std and norms Aicte. It is highly insulting, dishonring, demotivating. In certain cases those Col/Brig were students in these colleges under the Professors. Some of the Service officers posted in these colleges are not capable of teaching and they are just taking 50-100 pds in a 5month sem( one fourth of the laod taken by Lect/Ap)
How can a a col/ Brig ( with grade pay of Rs 8700/8900)with a max M Tech qualification without any Teaching Expr in a degree level enginnering college will be senior in engg college
than a Prof with BTech Mtech PhD Qualification & 20-25 years Teaching Experince.Is there any answer/ Justice to highly qualified acadmecian in these colleges

]]> By: A patriotic soldier http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-631 A patriotic soldier Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:57:50 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-631 what ever you all say folks.........paramilitary will always remain under military......it's always been like that.....it will always remain that way.....no matter how much of heart burn it causes to the "others"....... what ever you all say folks………paramilitary will always remain under military……it’s always been like that…..it will always remain that way…..no matter how much of heart burn it causes to the “others”…….

]]> By: Sanjay http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html/comment-page-1#comment-541 Sanjay Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:31:02 +0000 http://gconnect.in/gc/6cpc-matters/pay-panel-central-police-against-elevation-of-rank-of-ltcol.html#comment-541 I’ll request all elite people who compare Lt Col with PMF viz BSF or CRPF etc to visit following sites for referances - 1. http://crpf.nic.in/crp_f.htm 2. http://bsf.nic.in/structure.htm (a) ARMY —– One becomes Lt Col after 13 years of Commissioned service in 5cpc pay scale of 13500-400-17100/-. He continues in this rank till 26 years of service. One gets promoted to Col rank in Army after 17-18 years of service (pay scale 15100-450-17350). (b) BSF—- A Second-in-Command of BSF as per 5CPC is in pay scale of Rs 12000-375-16500/- and Commandant in pay scale of Rs 14300-400-18300/-. (c) CRPF—- One gets promoted to Second-in-Command in CRPF after 11 years of Service and Commandant after 15 years of Service. Still we tend to compare juniors with Seniors or Less pay scale slab of 5CPC to more par scale in 6CPC. Good go ahead. I’ll request all elite people who compare Lt Col with PMF viz BSF or CRPF etc to visit following sites for referances – 1. http://crpf.nic.in/crp_f.htm 2. http://bsf.nic.in/structure.htm (a) ARMY —– One becomes Lt Col after 13 years of Commissioned service in 5cpc pay scale of 13500-400-17100/-. He continues in this rank till 26 years of service. One gets promoted to Col rank in Army after 17-18 years of service (pay scale 15100-450-17350). (b) BSF—- A Second-in-Command of BSF as per 5CPC is in pay scale of Rs 12000-375-16500/- and Commandant in pay scale of Rs 14300-400-18300/-. (c) CRPF—- One gets promoted to Second-in-Command in CRPF after 11 years of Service and Commandant after 15 years of Service. Still we tend to compare juniors with Seniors or Less pay scale slab of 5CPC to more par scale in 6CPC. Good go ahead.

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