‘No resentment among armed forces over Sixth Pay Commission report’

28 Responses to “‘No resentment among armed forces over Sixth Pay Commission report’”

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   S K Jain said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 11:24

   Sir,
   This is wrong to say on the part of H’ble Minister AK Antony that there is no resentment over the 6CPC in the Armed Forces. However, serving armed forces personnel certainly cannot take to the streets in protest. When the defence minister A K Antony was telling Parliament that there was no resentment in Armed Forces, scores of veterans, ex-servicemen and their wives were being detained by the police on Monday for trying to stage a hunger strike at India Gate against the 6th Pay Commission, just a kilometre away. Have they all gone mad? No dear sirs, there is certainly a grave resentment in Armed Forces over 6CPC and anyone who want detailed information may visit http://www.indianmilitarybenefits.blogspot.com/ and read the comments of serving armed forces personnel with regards to anomalies in 6CPC.

   This is a fact that the ongoing situation has certainly affected the attitude of prospective candidates of Armed Forces. The image of Armed Forces is tarnished to a great extent. The youths, who wanted to join Armed Forces, will think twice about it. Everyone knows that intake in officer’s cadres from the wards of serving officers, has gone down drastically. Obviously, there is no concern towards the welfare of serving and ex-servicemen. Implementation of “One Rank One Pension” is pending since 1984 despite the fact that the issue was included in the Election Manifestoes of main political parties and the same was also included in the President’s address to the Parliament in 2004 thereby making OROP the declared policy of Government (not of any particular political party). There are no orders till date with regard to the payment of arrears and enhanced pension of defence pensioners. In case there is a delay in sorting out the matter, arrears in lump sump should have been given to about 18 lakhs defence pensioners before Diwali. When lump sump arrears for serving armed forces personnel were being considered, why no one thought about the armed forces pensioners and who will take the responsibility of the same?

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   Suri said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 13:51

   Dear All,
   Mr. Antony, our beloved defence minister has made a false statement in the parliament and just he also seems to have joined with the gang os Babooz to let down the Armed Forces. It is not clear as to why he chose to misguide the parliament by giving a false answer to a genuine question of one of the honourable member of Parliament. Never mind, folks, the truth will ultimately prevail.

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   chandy said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 17:57

   either the defence minister is insane or he is a liar. it is upto him to choose between the two.

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   dev said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 22:14

   Very difficult to trust any politicians including prime minister.What a cheating really?

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   Kumar said on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 23:12

   Clearly, RM is misguiding the Parliament and the people of India. There is resentment not only in the minds of Armed Forces Personnel but also in the minds of our Youths who were otherwise planning a career in “Uniform”. India is not far from the reality that it has to make the ‘Military Service’ compulsary, as we are not going to have anymore “worthy” volunteers for this ‘dirty’ job.
   God bless this ‘great’ Nation. Jai Hind.

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   kartik said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:08

   ARMY the mouse trap for young boys of Free india to make them slave

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   khurana said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:09

   GOOD GOD!how can you tell a blatant lie on the floor of the parliament. when all the major news papers and tv are covering the resentment. its posted all over the internet. the whole world knows about it but not our parliament.

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   amardeep said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 15:19

   sir it is a sad state of affairs,”retired gens———–police” raj thakrey granted bail, defieciency of officers, more putting up papers, trg academies running half the strength lower the status of officers, withdraw sahayaks is IAS subsidiary of ISI ie ISI ALLIED SERVICE. nieghbours will surely be thanking. RM sir has tied a pice of cloth on his eyes as he states no resignations due to 6th cpc anomalies

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   sentry said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 20:10

   Can somebody tell who has resigned/put up papers due to dissatisfaction from 6cpc before criticising RM. Are services listening? May v have facts n figures? What nonsense of shortages of officers? If so why so many of them posted on deputations and to other departments not doing their core functions. All those service officers not on core functions should be called back immediately so that they do not fool around while services cry for defi and also if they cannot be utilized on core duties then instead they should be retired to have corporate salaries and fancied lifestyle of outside world.

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    Kumar said on Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 23:58

    @sentry. Dear friend, don’t fool yourself by posing as if you know that the functions of the Armed Forces. Deputations are all the mandate given to the Forces by the parliament and the soldiers are discharging their duties with atmost dedication and loyalty. Your tasteless comment clearly shows your immaturity and your unwillingness to accept a hard working, the most disciplined uniformed colleague for the “obvious” reasons. RM, with his misleading comment to the “Parliament”, can only be criticised. After all, we live in the World’s best democracy???

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    satboy said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 7:45

    The defence minister has not lied. He has simply quoted figures based on the statistics held with MOD on number of officer’s who have put up their papers. There are only a few grounds on which an officer can leave the AF and some of these are super cession, medical problems of self/family, extreme compassionate grounds, lack of advancement etc. An officer can put up his paper’s because of resentment. So to that extent he is correct. So don’t go about showing him in bad light.

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    Suri said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:00

    @satboy, Undoubtedly the Defence minister has clearly lied in parliament (may be to garner few votes or may be to avoid embarrasment or could be to shield erring IAS lobby). Any service person know that if one seeks discharge on the premise of quoting reason as “Dissatisfaction fron 6SPC”, one would never get the approval. Hence the poor chap looks around for most genuin looking excuse to chuck. Now one can,t bypass the reality by this act of a particular indl who is genuinly looking exit route. The fact remains and is written on the wall that report of 6SPC specially after the approval by COS is absolutely rubbish and has value not more than the piece of tissue paper with so much of dissatisfaction looming large not only in the Armed forces but in the entire country as well. It is only our “Beloved RM” who is living in fools paradise and trying to make others believe too.

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    S K Jain said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 10:15

    I fail to understand as to why the officers and PBORs, who apply for pre-mature retirement, are not granted the same. Some days earlier, there was a news that Service Chiefs have decided not to process pre-mature retirement of the officers especially in respect of those who apply for pre-maure retirement because they have rendered minimum required service. If one is not satisfied with your system and wants to quit, why he is not allowed? After all, service officers and PBORs are not bonded labours. The Govt must concentrate to attract the youths for the job rather than using unfair and unconstitutiional practices.

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    Bxxstoyouall said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 19:34

    It is a statement that has obviously been drafted by the crafty babus and is typically misleading. There are extremely set norms and procedures in the armed forces. The grounds on which one can apply for release are laid down – and dissatisfaction with Pay Commission or any other cause is NOT one of them. So how can anyone apply for that?
    This country will very shortly have the army IT DESERVES – akin to its politicians, babus and police. It will be as third rate as any of them, and the pakis will be able to just walk all over your cities – not to mention the chinese. Like the plight of police today while facing terrorists and naxalites, the army of tommorrow will not consist of men who are capable of facing the challenges and the threats. That is because all right minded and capable people are leaving. Those left behind will consist of people who know that they do not have much future outside because they lack the capability. And the quality of people joining will take care of the rest.

    God bless you all.

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    MK Modi said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 20:58

    Apropos the Defence Minister’s Statement in Parliament today.
    The fact is that for any officer to seek retirement, he has to apply under the pre-defined clauses in the existing government orders. The clauses are lack of career prospects, supercession, employment in civil life and extreme compassionate grounds. Therefore, an officer cannot even apply for retirement citing any other reason. Hence the Defence Minister’s Statement is misleading as there can be no means of determining this unless permission is granted to apply citing this reason. Also despite a large number of applications pending, the government is simply not approving requests for retirement – a restriction unique to the armed forces !

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    ashwani said on Thursday, October 23, 2008, 21:34

    Dear sentry,
    either ur aMES/BRO officer or an agent of Babus. But that is immaterial.Facts a re if MES / BRO is manned entirely by civilians, they due to their right to form associations/unions can at any time go on strikes or lay off and hold the Services to ransom. A situations completely unacceptable. And they have done it in the past . So the presence of Army on deputation is essential even if we have to work with depleted strength in the core areas.

    As regards ur suggestions that may put up papers and go home it is acceptable if u guarantee their resignations will be accepted on account of dissatifaction with 6 CPC. Let us not digress from the main issue that it is the conspiracy of the IAS. and ur falling prey to that trap . And IAS have succeded in their machitations. MES/BRO are part of the Army and problems if any can always be sorted.out.FACTS CAN BE IGNORED BUT CANNOT BE CHANGED.. AND the fact is that u cannt compare the service conditions of Army and civilians. So same Pay commission cannt judicate their Pay. Regarding parity it comes into play during Joint civil/military functions.LET THE TOTAL YEARS OF SERVICE IN CLASS 1 SERVICE BE THE ONLY CRITERIA. bUT bABUS WILL NOT AGREE TO A SIMPLE SOLUTION . Their expertise lies only in comlicating the issues.

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    COL SHIVRAJ said on Friday, October 24, 2008, 13:09

    Dear All,
    Happy Diwali. RM has only quoted the figures furnished by MOD. Dissatisfaction / resentment is an emotion and cannot be measured by looking at the figures / statistics. I request our civilian friends who do not have exposure to the defence forces to go to the nearest military station and spend a week with troops even at peace locations and then we can have a reality show on TV to air your views.
    I wish to bring to the kind attention of our civilian friends that we in the Defence Forces are deprived of our fundamental rights under the Constitution of India on joining the Defence Forces. Defence Forces is NOT a carreer but a service to the nation where the soldier is expected to give the extreme sacrifice. Hence, it is imperative on the entire nation to ensure through the Govt that the soldier gets its due,”IZZAT” which is measured in terms of money in India to draw parity.

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    naren said on Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:26

    The present RM is one of the most honest politicians we have had in recent times. He is one guy whose integrity is beyond question……He is also an ardent supporter of the services. ….but after all he also a part of the same narrow minded system dominated by the babus. …technically he is right….no service guy can quit on grounds of dissatisfaction for that may invite diciplinary action….and it may not be in the interest of the country for the RM to openly admit a sensitive issue as this in parliament…I am sure if a confidential survey is carried in our cantonements the true shocking picture would emerge!!

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    abcd said on Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:17

    I agree with MK Modi.
    A service Offiser can apply for Premature Retirement only on these grounds. He cannot apply saying “NOT SATISFIED / RESENTMENT on Pay Coommission” . That will be termed again by BABUs as DEFIANCE/ DISOBEDIENCE/ INDISCIPLINE.
    The fact that so many have applied implies WHAT? Govt needs to dwell on that.

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    kumar said on Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:58

    Do you know one bitter fact…..

    Armed forces personal has started feeling that this Profession is no more is Honarable, there is No pride associated with it any more! He is INSLAVED by a DIRTY design.Today a young gets to know what he (to day She as well) will land onself into.The Pride and Ptriotisam inthused by role model,events and environment one was associated leading into joining Defence forces as early as at the age of 16yrs through NDA ,starts wanning when you realise the basic fact you are no more honered/required by your conmtry men and National Guardien/Govt. “YOU FEEL FOR THE FIRT TIME “YOU HAVE BEEN INSLAVED IN A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY TO PERFORM ‘NOW BEEING LOOKED AT AS “THE DIRTY JOB’”>> NO!! IT IS ALL DIRTY POLITICKS ARROUND !! STATESMAN SHIP IN LEADERSHIP HAS VANISHED! WE AS NATION WILL PAY FOR IT!! OUR MAN MACHINE BOTH ARE AT ITS LOWEST … GOD GAVE MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!

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    Namby said on Monday, October 27, 2008, 18:53

    The DM and Foreign minister are complete politicians and they are experts in simply convincing the people without meeting any of their demands by saying that a committee of experts will look into their grievances at the earliest. But that never happens. That is exactly what is happening with Defence Force Pensioners. They were promised that new pay/pension will be surely paid by Deepawali. But alas! all twenty lakh Defence personnel are completely cheated. Who is there to help them?

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    suresh said on Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 8:47

    The pay commission was an excellent opportunity for the UPA to cash on.. But i must say that they have goofed it up really bad.. Especially the armed forces including the pensioners have been made to feel belittled . This could have been avoided to say the least. it has backfired on the govt.. A little bit of thought could have prevented all this. Some times in wonder if the BJP has used some senior babus to ensure this..I for one has been a congressman for the last 7 elections.. Not this time for sure.. The damage has been done.. god bless..with a heavy heart.. , wishing all a happy diwali..

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    Rage said on Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 21:43

    What a lie… this is like saying nobody in India dies of poverty… ya they die b’cause of hunger or disease … but never poverty. RM should not be so removed from the soldiers…one really wonders if he is RM only for all the civilians in MoD or does he have a responsibility towards soldiers also !!

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    D Ashitanand said on Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:09

    What ignoramuses!
    Can’t he read?
    Does he require a bullet up his arse?

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    ranawat said on Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:42

    what surprises me is that except for Punjab, no other state govt has even spoken about the pay anomalies of the Armed Forces and the consequent demoralisation it has led to in one of the largest fighting forces of the world….so much for the politicians of this country and their concern for the defence forces……….but why should they bother……most of them have z+ security, immense wealth looted from the state exchequer ….obviously with the help of compliant bureaucrats…..God save this country…….

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    ranawat said on Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:40

    The present situation has led to immense demoralization in the Armed Forces……a very dangerous trend indeed. ….these middle level officers – Lt Cols/Wg Cdrs/Cdrs are responsible for military assets worth several crores. …..something more than the entire annual budget of the paramilitary forces…..imagine a pilot flying a fighter plane worth 300 crores……we can not afford demoralisation to creap in….lest it leads to the creation of several more purohits( Lt col Purohit arrested for bomb blasts)….actually the ISI must be waiting for an opportunity like this……to lure demoralised officers with money…..The govt needs to act fast so that such things never never happen in this great country of ours

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    Praveen said on Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:40

    i think the politicians are achiving thier aim all therese years ppl have been abusing politicians and babbus offcourese now thgye have achieved the aim so many uniform people they have created with no powers of decision making. they have made officer self styled ist class gazzetted officer lol

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