6CPC – No dilution on demands concerning Armed Forces says officers

Thursday, November 20, 2008

This article is posted in 6CPC Matters category and has 38 Comments so far.

With a ministerial committee set up to resolve the four pay commission issues delaying a decision, the Armed Forces have strongly conveyed to the government that there should be “no dilution” on their demands concerning their officers and jawans.

“We have re-conveyed to the government that there should be no dilution as far as the four core issues are concerned relating to the Sixth Pay Commission notification issued in August this year,” Armed Forces officers told reporters today.

The assertion comes in the wake of reports that the government was trying to find a “middle path” to break the deadlock over the armed forces’ demands that included placing Army Lieutenant Colonels and their equivalents in the Navy and Air Force in Pay Band-4.

The government had a fortnight ago sent a top-ranking officers to the Armed Forces headquarters for talks to assess if the three Services would accept a “compromise formula” to resolve the four issues when this strong sentiment was conveyed to the government.

The other three demands from the Armed Forces included parity of Grade Pay to officers from Captains to Brigadiers with that of their civilian counterparts, placing Lieutenant Generals and their equivalents in Higher Administrative Grade Plus pay band and restoring the 70 percent pensionary weightage for jawans.

It is learned that the government was considering a “middle path” under which it would accept the Armed Forces’ demand relating to Lieutenant Colonels.

But, instead of placing them in Pay Band-4 scales after 13 years of service when they actually picked up the Lieutenant Colonel rank, these officers would be placed in the Pay Band two years after getting the rank (after 15 years of service).

That would translate into Lieutenant Colonels remaining in Pay Band-3, as recommended by the Sixth Pay Commission, for two years after picking up the rank and achieving parity with their civilian counterparts later in their service (after 15 years) when they would be placed in Pay Band-4.

“This is not acceptable to the armed forces. The Ajai Vikram Singh Committee Phase-I on cadre restructuring implemented in 2004 has already fixed that Majors pick up their Lt Col rank after 13 years of service. Now, by introducing this clause in the Pay Commission, the bureaucrats were actually trying to dilute what AVS Committee had already granted,” officers said.

They also lamented that in the month-and-a-half since the government set up the ministerial committee under External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee to consider their grievances, the delay was leading to counter demands from the paramilitary forces.

Also, the delay led to some sections of the bureaucracy introducing seven new anomalies in the pay commission through the services instructions issued by the Defence Ministry on the pay commission notification, they said.

They pointed out that the Defence Ministry bureaucrats had arbitrarily introduced amendments in Draft Government Letter on the pay commission and issued the special instructions governing the armed forces’ pay on October 20 under which the ‘military service pay’ and ‘rank pay’ were re-defined, subverting the purpose for which it was recommended in the first place.

“The changes in the definition and meaning of key pay commission recommendations have been done on the sly to deal a blow to the armed forces’ morale and to deny them their due,” the Services headquarters informed the government.

Officers said the subversion of the definition of rank pay would mean the armed forces officers would take home less pay than what was intended to by the hikes provided in the pay commission notification.

The Services have pointed out that since the 4th pay commission, the rank pay was calculated as part of the basic pay of the armed forces personnel.

“This government policy provided the personnel a higher house rent, travel and dearness allowances. However, by re-defining the rank pay and de-linking it from the basic pay, the bureaucrats have ensured that the armed forces personnel take home less amount as allowances,” sources claimed.

The military service pay (MSP), introduced by the 6th pay commission for the first time, was meant to be a “compensation for difficulties specific to military life”.

However, the Defence Ministry instructions, referred to it as a “hardship allowance” to security forces in forward areas.

The Services have questioned the rationale behind this re-defining of the MSP, wondering if it was meant to be provided to other security forces too working in counter-insurgency areas.

One other issue brought out was fixing basic pay for Colonels and Brigadiers at scales lower than what was awarded by the 6th pay commission.

The basic pay fixation for Colonels and Brigadiers was to be done under S-25 pay scales. Under the new Defence Ministry instructions, the two sets of officers would be provided only S-24 pay scales.

Source: Zee News

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38 Responses to “6CPC – No dilution on demands concerning Armed Forces says officers”

PRABHAKAR said on Thursday, November 20, 2008, 16:49

They all talk of Officers. There are no tears for PBORS. A”y” grade Sergeant who was in the pre-revised scale of 5000-6500 has been place in PB-1 with the starting pay of 5200 and a grade pay of 2800, while his counterpart in civil side is placed in PB-2 with a starting salary of 9300 and a grade pay of 4200. A sergeant will get a total of 5200+2800+MSP2000+Y gradepay 1400=11400 at the minimum of pay band while the civilian counterpart will get a pay of 9300+4200=13500 at the minimum of pay band. After introduction of MSP, an a Airforce sergeant will get 2100 less than his civil counterpart. Infact he should be getting 2000 more than his civil counterpart as MSP is to take care of hard life of Defence. The GOI has slapped on the face of jawans .What a cunning civil servants we have. Why the chiefs are not raising this issue along with Lt.cols and Lt. gens.

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PRABHAKAR said on Thursday, November 20, 2008, 16:51

Sorry! Read Y grade as X grade.

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dev said on Friday, November 21, 2008, 8:59

@Prabhakar…..i agree with you dear.

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Khaki said on Friday, November 21, 2008, 11:30

If wishes were horses all these ranting and raving by the OGs will surely get them what they want. They have projected their case by undermining their counterparts in other services mainly the CPOs which has eventually proved counterproductive. Had they asked for better allowances without any comparisons it wouldnt have started all these blogs to appear in the first place. The shortage of Officers and PMR being applied in hoardes is a myth which the army is propogating. If there are over 19000 Officers of Lt Col and above in all the three forces combined then where is the shortage ? Secondly Army is overstaffed in terms of Officers. One example is , in most cantonements an Officer of LT Col is only performing the duties of Qtr allotment where as in CPOs the same is being looked after by an JCO or in some cases a NCO. PMR as a % in CPOs and other services is much higher. With the economic downturn there is now no takers for these protocol obsessed OGs who will bw a misfit in the Corporate culture.

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kumar said on Friday, November 21, 2008, 14:04

That’s a good comment dear Khakhi!!!

May be you have made that comment glosing over the knowledge you must be having , that all who have left and leaving the defence services are beeing lappedup by corporates including MNCs in hords!@3 to 5 times the CTG with 6th pay commition accruing to these Lt.Cols.
If Indian Civili socity and G of I polity and civil servents does not want pay them, then dont have srtingent rools governing their right to leave ! even today in hundreds of cases one is not allowed to leave…….citing one reason or the other and poor gye can’t leave even when he has better oportunites knocking his door! as he once upon a time in past has willingly and volantarily signed to fore go his rights to act for his own interests as a young motivated lad to serve the nation …! It pinches him and his family now!
may be now we will have in forces motivated young sons and doughters of our fello citisons in government and out side ,who are opposing the so called honarable terms of services they are requesting/asking in much dignified way through Chiefs and resoting to any unplasent ways which we in civilsocity may not like them to do……
I only pray that let no such thing our country have to see that a discipplined mass in demotivated , agrived and pushed to wall and becomeds a …….

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PRAKASA RAO said on Friday, November 21, 2008, 18:38

NEED OF THE HOUR IS TO REDRESS THE GRIEVANCES OF THE ARMED FORCES FORTHWITH. IT IS SAD, THE COMMITTEE OF MINISTERS APPOINTED 2 MONTHS BACK IS YET TO DECIDE THE ISSUE. IT IS BETTER FOR THE NATION TO COME OUT OF THIS MUDDLE AMICABLY AND RESTORE PEACE BETWEEN FORCES & THE BUREAUCRACY.

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dev said on Friday, November 21, 2008, 21:09

@Khaki…………..People like you are just barking dogs…….frustrated idiots.

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menon said on Friday, November 21, 2008, 22:03

Don’t worry about KHAKI. It is reported that an IAS Madam has an IPS husband who is Boss in the PMF. So he gets ‘leaks’ from his wife which he authoritatively reports here. Thats his level. Some supposed PMF cribs here are his plants.

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grewal said on Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:49

To hell with you khakhi…….you are a disgrace for this nation…and a curse too…get doomed along with your ias wife if you have one..

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father pedro said on Saturday, November 22, 2008, 16:13

@khaki, lightning shall strike unto thine head and thee shalt perish……amen!

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Col (Retd) I D Sharma said on Saturday, November 22, 2008, 17:27

If a dog is barking no one barks back even if a dog bites a gentle man shallnever bite him he is kicked hard to teach him a lesson . A cowrd hides his name due to fear fear of retaliation. a gentle is not worried to hide his name. The best way in to neglect such afellow as youwould a sick animal. Only cowards stab you in the back. All those who were zelous of def officers have tried to back stab us by altering the key definitions of rank pay and mil service pay, to harm us in future. We will see the in the court and expose them in the eyes of those who pay for their wages. Jai Hind Col I D Sharma.

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Ex.Sgt.Muthukrishnan said on Saturday, November 22, 2008, 21:24

Now that the MOD has silently released orders through its Dept. of Esm. Welfare letter dated 11.11.08 addressed to the three service chiefs wherein no mention has been mentioned about the core demands made to the Three Senior Cabinet Ministers. What is the out come of the anomalies referred to the GoM ? What is the the fate of pre 2006 pensioners ? What happened to our long pending demand of One Rank One Pension ? Why should u fix 33 years service for full pension when 99 percent of the defence pensioners not allowed to serve for 33 years ? When post 2006 pensioners are allowed full pension for truncated service, why not the pre 2006 pensioners ? This is a great injustice. The Govt. must do something to pay full pension for all pensioners irespective of date of retirement. It at all there is some delay in finalising by the GoM, the Govt. would have sanctioned some amount of INTERIM RELIEF to the pre 2006 pensioners, instead of releasing the orders without any benefits. We still hope that some thing will come out that will satisfy our long pending demand of OROP. Jai Hind.

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chopra said on Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:37

dear muthukrishnan, this govt is least interested in our welfare. never let you or your family vote ror the people in this govt. sonia gandhi had promised OROP in 2002 pre election promise if her party came to power… saw the result of her false empty promise!!

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P.Vigneshwar Raju said on Sunday, November 23, 2008, 18:11

If the Govt do not revise the pension of pre-pensioners, there are settled laws made by H’ble Supreme Court, on basis of which we can proceed through our Associations. The govt. has promised to take up the 70% benefit to PBORs, let us wait for the outcome of the same….

Even the pay band of Sgt. is fixed at 5200 and grade pay 2800. Whereas the basic principle of 1.86 formula is not followed for Sgts. (ie. 5000X1.86= 9300). How it is 5200? What an injustice? Has any body got answer to it?

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Rajababu said on Monday, November 24, 2008, 14:34

My dear friends there is no comparision/parity between various wings of the govt. each dept is unique and there is no question of parity. the parity should be there only when close interactions/operations exists wherin the senior service takes the precedence over the others like in CI ops the army takes the lead. law and Order the police,border security the BSF etc. I feel the CPC has only divided the govt employees and greatened the rift instead of doing good. The IAS babus are adoptiong the age old policy of Divide and Rule and we are falling prey to it. are u guys aware that the babus get 2 increments instead of one? Pse educate urselves on the babus payscales before fighting with each other and identify the real culprit

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Rakesh said on Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 0:29

What is the equivalence are we all taking about? Soldiers, BEYOND DOUBTS, lay off their precious life for the pack of thankless and short-memory people of this great country. And with them are forcibly killed the near and dears, by the society we all are truly proud of. Soldiers never BEG . They are rewarded for dedication and devotion of selfless duty towards MOTHERLAND. And if soldier raises VOICE against the prejudice of the system, then it is comparable to witnessing a phenomenon. If the trajectory is not corrected at the right moment, the projectile goes misguided. The morale of forces is not like a corn which pops up due to a meager imbalance. It certainly is infinite and like a krichoff ball which has a capability to absorb radiations of wide spectrum. NO PAY CAN SET A EQUILIBRIUM AGAINST THE LIFE AND MORALE OF A SOLDIER. We are always and will always remain a respected and elite group of the GREAT INDIA. I really got touched by the phrase ” Barking Dogs”. He/ She should be thankful to the GOD that He/She is not on the other side of the fence. Because, everyone knows that we the disciplined lot can bulldoze our way to Kargil to unfold the NATIONAL FLAG at the highest peak, RESPECTFULLY, AS ALWAYS, THINKING ABOUT OUR COUNTRY AND COUNTRYMEN.
I am optimistic that the meltdown of prejudice will break all odds. Else, Soldier never quits————he will fight back to taste victory.

JaiHind

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Khaki said on Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 16:28

The reason why many army officers get killed in terrorist operations is because even colonels lead small forces whereas in cpmf equivalent ranks conduct much larger forces from Hqrs. cpmf are clearly of higher status.

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menon said on Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:58

Khaki, Why do you open you mouth to show your IGNORANCE. Are you trying to shame the CPOs/PMFs by stating that their officers don’t lead from the front like the Army and therefore don’t become casualities. The CPOs and PMFs are doing a good job. It is only the IPS chaps who take over the senior posts of the CPO.PMFs who shit at the back while these CPO/PMF guys are kept in the field to do all the fighting. Kabhi aage bhi aa jaao. Phatti hain kya? Sirf computer par IAS biwi ke sari ke peeche se vaar kar sakte ho.Ya thaane mein aur paise milte hain kya? Kyo CPO/PMF ke khandhe se goli maar rahe ho. Kameene panti ki hadd hoti hain. Aur tum misaal ho!

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Reeta Pandey said on Thursday, November 27, 2008, 18:31

Three queries I would like to ask the Govt! Firstly, all the Lt Colonel equivalents like directors, conservator of forest, etc. who were in PB3 earliar and were getting either less or equivalent pay as that of a Lt Colonel as per the 5th pay commission and now placed in PB4 then why Lt Colonels of Armed Forces cannot be placed in PB4 also? Secondly, approx 80% of the Army Officers retire at the age of 54 whereas their counterpeesart in civil retire at the age of 60, how does the Govt/Pay commission compensate for the six years less pay? Thirdly, When Army Officers retire at 54 he is not entitled to get the senior citizen privileges whereas all civilan counterparts retiring at the age of 60 are entitled senior citizen privileges, How does Govt/Pay Commission compensate for the same? If all these cannot be compensated then why delay in bringing Lt Colonel in PB4?

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PRABHAKAR said on Friday, November 28, 2008, 10:31

I want to ask you only one question. Why all of you are worried only about officers and especially about Lt. Cols!! You should also address the geninue problems of PBORs who take the bullets direct in their chest. All PBORS have been brought down over the years and the people in the rank of sregeants are now clubbed with the cleaners and sweepers in PB-1. How do you expect them to be technically sound and maintain the fighting birds battle fit; how do you think that commandos should land on the terrace of Nariman building and flush out the terrorists without causing collateral damage by risking their lives for the peanut that you give them. Be objective and fair Reeta.

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A true fouji said on Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:00

At least now the Govt. should realise the importance of a Fouji! Please address all the grievances of pay anomaly of Defence forces. You have seen the morale of the forces in Mumbai operation. The game is not over, the Pak govt. withdrawing its troops from Afghan border and deploying across the Indian border, further intensified the situation. Our Defence Forces are required to make more sacrifices in near future.

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an air warrior said on Friday, December 5, 2008, 16:03

Dear all,
Just i am taking a case for a sergeant gp “x” after serving for 20 yrs pre 2006.
Initially pension was Rs 2462 w/o dp.later on it was Rs 3693 with merger. On 1st Jan 2006 it was revised to Rs 3840 with waightage of 6 yrs . On 1st Jan 2006 DA @24% was Rs 922 . So total was Rs 4762.
Now as per avilable information pension on 1st Jan 2006 will be Rs 5565. so the difference is Rs 803 for which we have been waiting for 12 years after 1996 upto this 2008 for 6 CPC. This is benifit given to one sergeant who gave his prime 20 years to the nation. If a sergeant retires on 31 jan 2006 ( post 2006) as my case (basic pay 5600 in pre revised scale) his pension on 1st feb 2006 will be Rs 8308 with a higher difference of Rs 2743. Is this parity or modified parity justified?
This is the case of one rank .It is more or less same for all rank in all three forces.
Can we hope for justice?

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Proud Indian said on Friday, December 5, 2008, 22:14

CAUTION!!! CAUTION!!!

too many Pakis and Chings on this net.

Please exercise restraints.

let them Bark, as they want Army, BSF, IPS, IAS etc to fight ( and to some extend they are successful also!!)
Again, Careful of these felow like “Khaki” etc….

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Dan said on Saturday, December 6, 2008, 16:34

By Khaki’s logic the Incharge of 1000 home guards should be equal to an DGP

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Gp Capt N K Singh( Retd) said on Sunday, December 7, 2008, 18:11

Dear all,

All those who feel aggrieved ballot is the answer. Let us resolve to throw them out by ballot who do not keep their promises of one rank one pension. At the same time continue fighting like a soldier legitimately for the due respect and pay parity. Jai Hind.

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SKG said on Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 14:11

kakhi’s behavior is like ISI to provok you. Let him face Let etc. till he see light of the day. May GOD show him such light at the earliest.

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Dan said on Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 18:34

Worst thing for aminnow is to Ignore him . GUYS DO IT for ones Belittling Armed Forces of India

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Dan said on Thursday, December 11, 2008, 19:45

Quoting from Hindu:

MUMBAI: Errors of judgment and top-level leadership lapses marred the Mumbai police’s management of the first, critical hours of last month’s Lahskar-e-Taiba attack — errors that are now driving calls from for a full review of the force’s crisis response system.

Mumbai’s top police officials, highly placed government sources said, failed to take charge of the Police Control Room, the nerve centre of the city police’s overall command structure. Nor did they use the force’s wireless system to rally their men demoralised by the loss of several of officers, notably the heroic joint commissioner of police and chief of the Anti-Terrorism Squad, Hemant Karkare. Instead, one top official chose to station himself and two aides inside a bullet-proof vehicle parked at the National Centre for the Performing Arts Building near the Oberoi Hotel, thus cutting himself off from the broad flow of operations.

Coordination at the Police Control Room fell to a committee of three joint commissioners of police — Crime Branch chief Rakesh Maria, his Law and Order counterpart, K.L. Prasad, and Administration head Bhagwantrao More. Without authority over subordinates outside their own chain of command, the control room team achieved little. Mumbai’s police failed to initiate a thoroughgoing lockdown of major roads, to block the potential movement of the terrorist groups. Nor were teams of police personnel dispatched to other potential targets. Worst of all, police and Special Reserve Police personnel stationed in the suburbs were not rushed to reinforce the small, ill-armed groups engaged in the early fighting.

In some cases, an officer present in the control room told The Hindu, requests for assistance were ignored. “A couple of people didn’t even pick up their mobile phones,” he said. Mumbai has 25 Deputy Commissioners of Police, spread out across its headquarters and 12 district zones. Just six, the officer said, played a significant role on November 26. “Had there been more groups of terrorists in the city,” a senior officer commented, “or had the Lashkar fidayeen attempted to break out of the hotels along with groups of hostages and head towards the sea, we would not have been in a position to respond.”

In fairness to the top official who was in the bullet-proof vehicle — he did not respond to text messages and calls from The Hindu requesting an interview for this story — the Mumbai Police had never rehearsed for a large-scale terror strike. Nor was the force armed or trained to deal with the situation they encountered. However, according to former Punjab Director-General of Police K.P.S. Gill who led the State police during its decisive campaign against Khalistan terrorists, the absence of rehearsal was not an acceptable excuse. “If a crisis ever plays out in the way you had rehearsed,” he argued, “it wouldn’t be a crisis at all.”

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KP said on Thursday, December 11, 2008, 23:15

QUOTING FROM SOMEONE ELSES BLOG WHICJ APPEALED A LOT LOGICAL

subject: Firing form the other man’s shoulder!

Dear Fauji Friend
Last week Maj Gen Joshi called on me. He was an esteemed instructor during our Degree Course days, and EME officers would remember him as one of our finest engineers. Indeed, he spent most of his time with the DRDO. He was commissioned in Jun 1960 and was in the Eastern sector during the 1962 debacle. He has analyzed the event very systematically, and his study reveals the following :
Pt Nehru, the architect of modern India suffered a severe stroke of depression from which he never quite recovered. He died in May 1964 at the comparatively young age of 73.
VK Krishna Menon was removed from the post of Raksha Mantri for his incorrect assessment of the situation.
Gen Thapar, the COAS was sacked. The careers of Lt Gen Kaul and scores of other military officers took a “U” turn.
A few thousand soldiers died; many more were wounded and some were taken prisoners.
The psyche of the country received a severe blow. It was considered a ‘National Shame’
The question he asked me was, “Who was the Defence Secretary? And what was the punishment meted out to him?”
I have asked several friends and also surfed the Internet but I am unable to find an answer. In all probability nothing was done to him, because he had no role in this!

Gen Joshi then took this discussion a step further. He observed that during the recent attack on Mumbai, dozens of soldiers and policemen have been killed. The whole nation is shaken. Mr Shivraj Patil has lost his prestigious job. The CM of Maharashtra has been axed and several heads in the government are likely to roll. Can some one tell us as to what action has been taken against the Union Home Secretary or the Chief Secretary of Maharashtra? (Thomas tells me that they will all be “promoted” soon though he does not know why).

Having spent many years in and around the South Block, I marvel at the way our government has been structured. The Civil Servants rule the roost. In terms of promotions and status they are ahead of every one else by miles. They are central in the Pay Commission and the Cabinet Secretary is involved in every major decision making process. Yet, when things go wrong, they wash their hands off so clean that one wonders how!

A slightly closer examination reveals the secret. I have figured it out this way:
They never do anything themselves. They always find some one else to be the head, and they know how to reduce him to be a ‘figure head’. (In the Pay Commissions, they have a retired Judge). However they place themselves in a spot which has the maximum opportunity to influence matters.
After the event, they never face the Press or the Media. Their role is amorphous.
The senior amongst them rarely sign a letter or order. Our pension letter is signed by a Director, who is not directly recruited IAS officer. Only rarely do you find a paper signed by a Joint Secretary. Officers above that level do not sign any document.
They have a strong association. It protects the interests of its members dutifully and diligently.
So we have our Defence headquarters in which the postings, promotions, rewards and punishments of all senior officers are controlled by the civil servants; and they also have the final say in the process of procurement of weapons and eqpt, but they are not “responsible” if things go wrong! It is authority without responsibility. (For those who may not know, a lowly officer in the MoD can have a Deputy Chief posted out, but a Service Chief can not get even a Desk Officer moved)

When Gen Joshi left, I found myself perplexed. What sort of system have we evolved? And how has it survived all these years? It is a bit like a unit in which the clerks are running the unit and the CO is so dependent on the Head Clerk that he can not move without their help!

Can some one give a cogent answer to the questions raised by Gen Joshi?

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Ganesh said on Sunday, December 14, 2008, 9:24

It is the ‘YES MINISTER’ in real terms here as we follow British bureaucracy!

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Dan said on Monday, December 15, 2008, 20:16

Let us all congratulate the Beaureucracy on the Vijay diwas. Well Citizens they deserve it every bit , starting from the Post Independence Riots ( Did Army control it actually ? well I am sorry i thought the beaureucrats did it), 1948,1956,1962,1971,1999,2008, Inumerous natural disasters floods( I have heard Mr Goswami is reinstated by the Bihar Govt) . ( well I thought Beaureucrats and the IPS did these wonderfull jobs) , so guys tommorrow remember to thank all IAS and IPS .

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Dan said on Monday, December 15, 2008, 20:24

Quoting from a friend :-

1/2 boy 1/2 man

The average age of the army man is 19 years.
He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country. He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father’s, but he has never collected unemployment dole either.

He’s a recent college graduate; he was probably an average student from one of the Kendriya Vidyalayas, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away. He listens to rock and roll or hip -hop or country or gazals or swing and a 155mm howitzer.

He is 5 or 7 kilos lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting the insurgents or standing gaurd on the icy Himalayas from before dawn to well after dusk or he is at Mumbai engaging the terrorists. He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must.

He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional.
He can march until he is told to stop, or stop until he is told to march.
He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity. His pride and self-respect, he does not lack.

He is self-sufficient.
He has two sets of combat dress: he washes one and wears the other.
He keeps his water bottle full and his feet dry.
He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts.

If you’re thirsty, he’ll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He’ll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.

He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands.
He can save your life – or take it, because that is his job.
He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay, and still find ironic humor in it all.
He has seen more suffering and death than he should have in his short lifetime.

He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed.

He feels every note of the Jana Gana Mana vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to ’square-away’ those around him who haven’t bothered to stand, remove their hands from their pockets, or even stop talking.

In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.
Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom.

Beardless or not, he is not a boy.
He is your nation’s Fighting Man that has kept this country free and defended your right to Freedom. He has experienced deprivation and adversity, and has seen his buddies falling to bullets and maimed and blown.

But,

He has asked nothing in return, except our acknowledgement of his existence and understanding of his human needs.
Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.
And now we even have women over there in danger, doing their part in this tradition of going to War when our nation calls us to do so.

As you go to bed tonight, remember this shot. . ..
A short lull, a little shade and a picture of loved ones in their helmets.

Prayer wheel for our military… please don’t break it Please send this on after a short prayer.
Prayer Wheel

‘Lord, hold our Indian Army in your loving hands.
Protect them as they protect us.
Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform
for us in our time of need.
Amen.’

When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a prayer
for our soldier, sailors , and airmen , in all frontiers
There is nothing attached…
This can be very powerful…
Of all the gifts you could give a Soldier, Sailor, or Airman,
prayer is the very best one.

I can’t break this one, sorry.
Pass it on to everyone and pray for the Indian Soldier. And unlike your ‘Babus’ or ‘Netas’

He will always do you proud!!!

ASK YOURSELF
DO YOU KNOW THIS MAN ???????

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Dan said on Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 19:55

Quoting from a Blog (INDIAN MILITARY INFO-BY NAVDEEP SINGH)

:– EQUIVALENCE OF A DIG (IPS) WITH A BRIGADIER(INDIAN ARMY)

So I laughed when I saw in the 6th CPC report that there was an ‘established relativity’ between a DIG of Police and a Brigadier.

There had been none, relativity that is. There was nothing common between a DIG and a Brig except the rank badges. More so since in the late 1950s when the MHA had upgraded the rank badges of IPS officers, in a meeting between senior functionaries of the MoD and them, MHA representatives had promised that though they had granted an Ashoka and three stars to a DIG, the rank badges would have no bearing on the actual status of a Brig. Clearly there could be no comparison since 100% of IPS officers attain the rank of DIG in 14 years of service including training whereas less than 7% make it to Brig in the defence services and that too in 28 years of service excluding training.

If the 6th CPC had talked of relativity, here is what the actual relativity was till the 6th CPC :

At the time of independence, according to Governor General of India’s notification No F/49/9/35-Public (G), a Colonel was placed on Serial No 38 for status, a DIG on Number 45 and a Lt Col on Number 47. Hence a DIG was 7 steps lower than a Colonel and 2 steps higher than a Lt Col. At the most recent stage of 5th CPC scales, the starting pay of a DIG (Rs 16,400) was sandwiched between a Lt Col (Rs 15,100) and a Col (Rs 17,100).

The 6th CPC and subsequently the CoS however equated a DIG with a Brig (both granted a Grade Pay of Rs 8900). The 6th CPC and elements in the MoF also emphasized that they had not disturbed any status equation and even earlier a DIG was considered equal to a Brig.

How wrong they were. A recent example was of Scheduled Banks in India who have an appointment known as the Chief Security Officer (CSO) in Senior Management Grade Scale -5 (SMGS-V) the requirement for which was that the applicant should be either a Colonel or a DIG.

After the 6th CPC, the same advertisement has been issued with the requirement that the applicant should be either a Brigadier or a DIG.

And they said that the 6th CPC has merely maintained the existing relativities. Below is proof as to how on the contrary existing and established relativities have been blatantly disturbed only after the 6th CPC :

Here is a pre-CPC (2006) advertisement for the post of CSO of a Bank with a rank requirement of Colonel / DIG

Here is a post-CPC (2008) advertisement for the post of CSO of a Bank with a rank requirement of Brigadier / DIG

Isn’t the slide visible to the naked eye ?

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capt jaya said on Monday, January 26, 2009, 22:53

Dear Editor,

No PB-4 for Lt Cols of MNS. Are the Lt Cols of MNS are not vulnerable to the missiles and bombs, which affect the Lt Cols of AMC working beside her? Is the record (GS), MF, APS and JAG Lt Cols are nearer to the war zone than a MNS Lt Col attached to a field ambulance? Why so much untouchability in India, when there are many Nurse Commissioned Officers Commanding Military Hospitals in US Army? Whereas the Pakistan Army had redesignated their half of MNS in 1967 to a Nurse Corps, the Indian Army wants to remove even the Commissioned Officer tag from MNS Officers? When the almost every country of the world has Nurse Corps in their armies, the Indian Army Chief is afraid that placing the Nurses on the recommended pay scale will affect the Patient Care. Para 2.3.20 of the SPC report, recommended that, “The Commission, however, is of the view that no differential in salary of officers belonging to the Services or MNS is justified and that the pay band and grade pay of similarly designated posts in Service Officers cadre and MNS cadre should be same”. If he is so much concerned about Patient Care why doesn’t he recommend to make the Army Act, 1950 fully applicable to the MNS cadre for better enforcement of discipline, instead of curtailing their pay?

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jasbeer said on Monday, January 26, 2009, 22:56

MNS Lt Cols are excluded from PB-4 on the insistence of the Army Chief. The COAS, Gen Deepak Kapoor wants to ensure Patient Care in the Army Medical Establishments by lowering the pay scales of MNS Officers. Read more at http://mnscorps.blogspot.com/

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SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR said on Thursday, July 9, 2009, 19:18

MY ANOTHER POINT IS TO IMPROVE THE GRADE OF PAY OF EACH RANK AS FOLLOWS :-

(A) SEPOY – RS. 3800

(B) NAIK – rS. 3400

(C) HAV – RS. 5000

(D) NB/SUB – RS. 6000

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SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR said on Thursday, July 9, 2009, 19:18

SUB : RS. 6500

SUB MAJOR – RS. 7000

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SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR said on Saturday, November 28, 2009, 19:21

DEAR READER,

IN INDIA NOTHING WILL HAPPEN OTHER THAN WELFARE OF OFFICERS CATEGORIES OF CIVIL SERVICES AND DEFENCE FORCES ALSO TO RICH PEOPLE BUT DOWNGRADING OF JUNIORS(OTHER THAN OFFICER CATEGORIES AT CIVIL SIDE) & PERSONNEL BELOW OFFICER RANKS AT DEFENCE FORCES ALSO PROVIDING LESSER PAY AND PERKS TO BELOW OFFICER RANKS THIS WILL HAPPEN IN INDIA ONLY. MY HUMBLE REQUEST IS DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING FROM THESE BASTERED POLITICIANS/GOVERNMENT AND OFFICERS WE CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE CHEARTING OF POOR BELOW OFFICER RANKS AND BETRAYAL FROM THESE BASTEREDS. SO I AM NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING FROM THESE BASTEREDS POLITICIANS & OFFICERS . THESE ARE ONLY SHOW TO PUBLIC . I HATE INDIA FOR MY LIFE DUE TO NON WELFARE OF POOR PEOPLE.

THANKS

SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR (IN)

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